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Bee Regular 33 posts
Hi to all, it`s been a while since i`ve posted. I want to list about ten attacks you may expect from your local thug. Its just something i want to practice, and to give my nephew some pointers.(Defences against!) You know. The big "Hay maker", "Glasgy kiss", Kick in the spudz. He seems to have a problem in running away, so if he`s going to stand there he might as well have a rough idea of what`s coming, and how to defend it.
"Bee"
wee steve Newbie 12 posts
Hi Bee interesting to mention the haymaker as a punch, anyone got any favourite techniques to defend against that? I always thought that the drawing ankle throw would work quite well. It does in Steven Segal films anyway. Other common attacks include being pinned from behind either round the neck or by the arms so his mate can lay into you.
sl Resident 855 posts
Headlock escapes?
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Bren Addict 123 posts
Grapping a handful of your shirt or lapel must be one of the most common along with the old forehead-to-forehead "come on then" stupidity.
spider Regular 235 posts
Statistics have said that ninety five percent of street fights end up on the ground. Also lot of fights start whilst people are practically touching face to face, chest to chest.
sl Resident 855 posts
yeah what about a few sweeps from guard?
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Robsco 1319 posts
More to the point, what about the rhythm stick? :-))
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sl Resident 855 posts
What type of site is this Robsco if you wanna go round bashing people with your Rythm stick hahahahaha :-O:-)):-))
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Bee Regular 33 posts
was that a song by Ian Dury & the Blockheads. (Probably wrong). Hell Robsco you must be as old as me. no wonder you can`t train any more.
"Bee"
Bee Regular 33 posts
Spider. Most fights end up on the ground. Surely the perfect fight should last as long as it takes to land a couple of good strikes. Going down (as it were) leaves you open to all sorts of anomolies, ie he may not be alone. All the chest to chest & forehead to forehead stuff. You deserve a knee in the nuts if you let yourself get in that position.
O.K. another one. At what point (If you are being threatened.) Can you decide you have to take them out. Without being seen as the aggressor.
"Bee"
sl Resident 855 posts
as soon as possible..... im sure the law says you can preempt the attack or something ? ? ? ?
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CoreyL Regular 27 posts
Depends where you live, but my understanding of that is if you feel threatened with violence you can be the one to strike first.
All depends on what you can justify though. If he's screaming he's gonna take your head off I'd say hit first. If he's giving you the "stink eye" or something like that, nothing too confrontational yet, you might want to wait and see if things escalate.
Also if there are witnesses to the event you need to think of things through their eye. Your opponent is in your face screaming at you, you've got your hands up in a non-confrontational manner, odds are if you drop him with an elbow witnesses will see it as you being scared.
Of course the most important saying is it's better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.
Ketto Ryu Ju-Jitsu
Bren Addict 123 posts
Intimidation justifies the use of force to defend yourself. So as long as your statement to the "Old Bill" makes it clear you felt "intimidated" you're in the clear, provided the other bloke isn't maimed or dead, obviously that wouldn't look too good.
Bren Addict 123 posts
Spider.

"Statistics have said that ninety five percent of street fights end up on the ground."

I've heard that quote before, but where did these statistics come from? Did someone carry out a statistical analysis of cctv footage at some point.
Robsco 1319 posts
If you think you are about to come under some sort of physical attack, you can use the same amount of force to defend yourself with the pre-emptive strike.

If someone points a gun at you and is threatening to kill you, you can shoot and kill.

If someone is just 'in your face', then ya can't shoot em, but ya can knock their lights out if you think that's what they're gonna do.
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wee steve Newbie 12 posts
I'm always a little sceptical when statistics are used. 1st of all where did that statistic come from secondly where did they get their information and thirdly how acurate is the information? I am not disputing that a lot of fights end up on the ground but i think 95% is being a little optimistic. I find it hard to believe:-)) that in only 5% of fights people are able to win with a good strike such as a headbutt.
Robsco 1319 posts
But what happens after the headbutt if you don't knock them out stone cold? They come back and ya fall to the floor.

I think it's quite believable if you just think about it for a minute.

But remember, over 75% of statistics are made up.
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Bee Regular 33 posts
Is it true that a head but is regarded as illegal, whatever the circumstance. But, on the receiving end of one give us some defences. Duck your head so they wipe out their nose on your head? Straight palm heel? Move to one side and give `em an elbow? Back off & Kick?
Any more attacks for my list. (Original question.)
"Bee"
Willsleeptilnoon Newbie 8 posts
The guy shouldn't be close enough to headbutt you if your playing it smart. Keeping your distance is the first most important thing if you're confronted. Obviously there could be circumstances were you have no room to keep your distance (i.e. a crowded bar), but I teach my students to end the fight before it starts if they feel threatend and the attacker has moved into their personal space.
"What counts is not necessaril
spider Regular 235 posts
Bren, yeah, I've heard it lots too. All I remember about it was that it was reported by a police force. It's likely come from CCTV. Every street fight I've ever seen goes to the ground with a headlock or shove or something. Most fights start with extreme pressure to move forwards into each other, a lot of the time it's just a case of losing footing. Most fights start whilst the people are drunk, they can stumble over just from missing their own punch.

Bee, thanks for the advice. I now head kick every man, woman and child that comes remotely near me. It's now very easy to find me in a night club.

Renzo Gracie states in Mastering Jijitsu, that most fights start in 'clinch range'. This is due to people trying to intimidate people into backing down, you never know for sure if it's going to be a fight until someone starts actually attacking.

The law is always a grey area, but you are able to defend if provoked and threatened. Once again it's all about minimum force.

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