who would win?

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MJ Regular 32 posts
this question has probably been asked loads of times before and i just wonder what peoples views were, who would win between a good boxer and a good martial artist, (whilst on there feet). i am aware that there are a huge number of variables like weight, height etc but assume there fairly equal and only things like stamina skill etc matter
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spider Regular 235 posts
There are still far too many variables. Rules? What counts as a win? What are they playing? What martial art? Have they got gloves on?
Robsco 1319 posts
I think the early UFC's answer that question...
The Admin Guy
sl Resident 855 posts
Royce Gracie :-p
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spider Regular 235 posts
UFC 1, Royce Gracie fought a professional cruiser weight boxer. He kept him away with low side kicks, then took him to the ground. From then on it was just embarrassing for the poor boxer. The boxer, frustrated and not knowing what to do on the ground, conceeded without the need for Gracie to apply a submission technique.
Why would a 'good martial artist' stand and trade punches with a boxer?
Robsco 1319 posts
I guess ya did say "(whilst on there feet)", so maybe Royce vs that boxer isn't answering the question.

A boxer knows one thing, how to box. A 'good' martial artist knows how to fight. A boxer probably isn't used to elbows or head kicks.

True, the boxer may get a lucky hit, but the arsenal that a martial artist would bring is miles away from the boxers standards.
The Admin Guy
sl Resident 855 posts
Isn't boxing a martial art?
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spider Regular 235 posts
I'm not so sure about that. The majority of boxers have far more experience fighting and striking people than most martial artists do. Sure the martial artist knows more moves, like finger eye jabs, but unless he has blinded hundreds of people, he can't have practised this more dangerous techniques as much as a boxer has boxing.
Of course if the martial artist is a Muay Thai fighter, I'd not fancy the boxer's chances of getting anywhere near before his legs get taken out by those shin kicks.
If it's against a Judoka like me and I'm not allowed to take him to the ground I don't fancy my chances. Of course I'd just shoot him before he got the chance to get in his plane to drop his A-bomb. Still not clear on the rules are we?
Monkey Balls Regular 44 posts
Boxing is a sport not a martial art.

The martial artist would win, as the boxer wouldn't have the experience to defend himself against kicks, elbows, knees from the clinch etc... The only way a boxer would win is if they where in a boxing match and had to separate once in the clinch.
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sl Resident 855 posts
if tkd, karate, etc is a martial art then so is boxing!

If were being picky Judo is no longer a martial art is it now a sport???:-D
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Robsco 1319 posts
I didn't know boxing was formed from martial law in the east???
The Admin Guy
spider Regular 235 posts
And BJJ was?
Monkey Balls Regular 44 posts
tkd, karate, and judo all originated from eastern martial law.
Boxing comes from the sport of prizefighting.
BJJ is a modernised form of japanese jujitsu
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sl Resident 855 posts
Posted : 2006-04-22 16:11:59 GMT

tkd, karate, and judo all originated from eastern martial law.
Boxing comes from the sport of prizefighting.
BJJ is a modernised form of japanese jujitsu


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its bull boxing originated from street fighting and later adopted the queensberry rules for safety! as did judo from ju jitsu (for sport)? as good a martial art as any other art just because most evolved from the east means jack............

And as for BJJ. They flipped the martial arts world noone can deny this as the most effective form of self defense and martial art?? :-p

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Bren Addict 123 posts
How about combat forms (not sports) which originated in other countries such as France or Israel?
Monkey Balls Regular 44 posts
Yeah judo began as a martial art and then evolved into a sport for the olympics etc... whereas boxing has always been a sport.

BJJ alone isn't the best form of defence ;-)
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Robsco 1319 posts
I'm feeling lost from the last few posts.

Who does or doesn't agree that boxing isn't a martial art?
The Admin Guy
sl Resident 855 posts
I think it all depends on how BJJ is taught, some clubs put an emphasis on the sport side others sport and defence.

It depends how you define boxing. Take MMA if my two main disciplines are boxing and im a japanese ju jitsu 46thDan master, then i cant be called a mixed martial artist then can i???:-D
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sl Resident 855 posts
[link=http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/sport/boxing/early_history.shtml]Boxing History[/link]
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Monkey Balls Regular 44 posts
"Take MMA if my two main disciplines are boxing and im a japanese ju jitsu 46thDan master, then i cant be called a mixed martial artist then can i???"
You can call yourself whatever you want. But since you're just a chimp in a gi, I'd stick to sl if I were you :-p

Just because you use techniques from sports such as boxing or wrestling in MMA it doesn't mean they are martial arts.
MMA is a combat sport where they allow techniques from various martial arts to be used. If you train/compete in this sport you can be classed as a mixed martial artist.

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