Body condition

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Rob H Newbie 10 posts	Friday 31st October 2003 at 17:48 I am interested in hearing opinions on the size of a fighters body. I have heard from many people that when it comes to martial arts the martial artist should be light on his toes very toned and strong but not very big, despite this when I have been to Ju Jitsu competitions many fighters are huge piles of muscle. Is this because Ju Jitsu relies heavily on grappling and big muscles will help them finish the fight? Or is it better to be in such a condition because it will give you an advantage? I personally have a very light-weight body, I am muscly but I feel looking anything like a body builder is discraceful and unpractical . . . Concentration, relaxation, mental and physical conditioning Concentration, relaxation, men
andy Resident 729 posts	Friday 31st October 2003 at 18:23 BJJ fighters have the best physiques in my opinion, even most of the heavyweights are ripped. pain is temporary, pride is forever. www.roycegraciesheffield.com "no weapon formed against me shall prosper"
Rob H Newbie 10 posts	Saturday 1st November 2003 at 20:11 Come on people opinions? Concentration, relaxation, mental and physical conditioning Concentration, relaxation, men
andy Resident 729 posts	Thursday 6th November 2003 at 10:28 most people wont post an opinion as it's a very gay thread but i am confident in my sexuality and have posted my opinion pain is temporary, pride is forever. www.roycegraciesheffield.com "no weapon formed against me shall prosper"
Rob H Newbie 10 posts	Saturday 8th November 2003 at 15:36 Gay thread? Your sexuality? WTF Concentration, relaxation, mental and physical conditioning Concentration, relaxation, men
korben Newbie 2 posts	Saturday 8th November 2003 at 22:06 I will give my modest opinion. Before do martial arts, i use to think that martil art is only technique, and control, but after start doing Ju Jitsu i realised that you need strence, power to do that technique. A small person agains stronger and bigger need more strence, power to defeat it. This is the conclusion i take from the dojo, where with partners the same weight is easy , but with partner stronger and biger is needed power beside good technique. is not so easy as people think only with technique, and relax. In the dojo only teach technique, but i never heard the sensei talk about the power needed to do the technique, but with big guys only technique without power doesn't work. Korben Korben
Robsco 1319 posts	Sunday 9th November 2003 at 06:28 Korben, You obviously need to train more if you're starting to believe that. Do not rely or place importance on strength, just keep training your technique and you will start to defeat the bigger guys with ease. --------- Robsco! 'I'm sure your style is impressive on other planets, however, your weak link is that this is Earth' The Admin Guy
korben Newbie 2 posts	Sunday 9th November 2003 at 18:35 Of course I have to train much more, and learn much more. Ju Jitsu as any martial art is a long way. Just to say something, when the sensei show us one technique, in many techniques he has to use power, becuase if he does the technique without use power he doen't make me go down, the technique doesn't work, I can resist without problem. Korben Korben
andy Resident 729 posts	Sunday 9th November 2003 at 18:41 your sensei sounds, well, not very good. pain is temporary, pride is forever. www.roycegraciesheffield.com "no weapon formed against me shall prosper"
kcolmra Newbie 1 posts	Friday 14th November 2003 at 19:41 I have seen a 83 year old man who weighted about 95 pounds throw a 250 pound guy (he was in his 20s, not sure exact age) around like it was nothing. He had excellent technique and had to use very little physical strength. There are some techniques that require great strength, but why would you study them when there are more effective moves that require little strength. I am 20 and weight about 200 pounds. When I first started training, I had an advantage over my smaller peers. The further I advance, the less my size is an advantage. I do not compare my size to my opponent’s size; it is not a reliable scale. I would prefer to win a fight with out using any strength, just technique – I think it looks more graceful and is a credit to your skill. That said, I do think you should train and stay in good physical health. More and more I am seeing 30 something white men who have a potbelly at Ju-Jitsu competitions. My goal is to have about the build Brad Pitt did in Snatch – not huge, but very cut and clean.
andy Resident 729 posts	Saturday 15th November 2003 at 12:07 give up traditional ju jitsu and do brazilian, you will learn better self defense and great ground work. also i don't see many 30 yr old white males with pot bellys ay brazilian jj tournys. traditional ju jitsu is outdated. pain is temporary, pride is forever. www.roycegraciesheffield.com "no weapon formed against me shall prosper"
steve Resident 217 posts	Sunday 16th November 2003 at 18:06 On the original point, strength & muscle mass does count for a lot though it is no good to you unless you have good technique with which to maximise its potential. You do not have to be big & heavy to beat bigger & heavier opponents, but relying on pure 'learnt' technique alone will not be enough. As Andy eluded to earlier, competative 'rolling', expecially with slightly bigger opponents, will increase your natural strength. Couple this with some form of gym weights work to build muscle mass and explosive power, a good cardio routine and good diet so your 'system' is equiped to feed your muscles as & when required, and your game will improve dramatically. "Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog" "Its not the size of the dog i
andy Resident 729 posts	Monday 17th November 2003 at 21:36 physical attributes play a part when skill level is even. A good big guy will always beat a good little guy. When training rely only on technique, when competing you can add in your physical attributes to increase your technique. pain is temporary, pride is forever. www.roycegraciesheffield.com "no weapon formed against me shall prosper"
Fenon Regular 25 posts	Sunday 22nd February 2004 at 21:23 I've seen a martial arts fight between a 25+ stone muscle monster untrained in fighting and a medium sized gifted technique fighter, it was a close fight but the technique guy did win. My point is power does give you an advantage during a fight but with better technique you can win. The perfect size in my view is very leen with medium sized muscle, arms maybe 15/6 inches, well thats my size goal any how it may change when I get there.
andy Resident 729 posts	Monday 23rd February 2004 at 22:23 i dont care pain is temporary, pride is forever. www.roycegraciesheffield.com "no weapon formed against me shall prosper"
Fenon Regular 25 posts	Monday 23rd February 2004 at 22:47 Another thing that I forgot to say was that with big guys they loss time training in technique because they need to spend a lot of time keeping that muscle.

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Newbie

10 posts

Friday 31st October 2003 at 17:48

I am interested in hearing opinions on the size of a fighters body. I have heard from many people that when it comes to martial arts the martial artist should be light on his toes very toned and strong but not very big, despite this when I have been to Ju Jitsu competitions many fighters are huge piles of muscle. Is this because Ju Jitsu relies heavily on grappling and big muscles will help them finish the fight? Or is it better to be in such a condition because it will give you an advantage? I personally have a very light-weight body, I am muscly but I feel looking anything like a body builder is discraceful and unpractical . . . Concentration, relaxation, mental and physical conditioning

Concentration, relaxation, men

andy

Resident

729 posts

Friday 31st October 2003 at 18:23

BJJ fighters have the best physiques in my opinion, even most of the heavyweights are ripped. pain is temporary, pride is forever. www.roycegraciesheffield.com

"no weapon formed against me shall prosper"

Rob H

Newbie

10 posts

Saturday 1st November 2003 at 20:11

Come on people opinions? Concentration, relaxation, mental and physical conditioning

Concentration, relaxation, men

andy

Resident

729 posts

Thursday 6th November 2003 at 10:28

most people wont post an opinion as it's a very gay thread but i am confident in my sexuality and have posted my opinion pain is temporary, pride is forever. www.roycegraciesheffield.com

"no weapon formed against me shall prosper"

Rob H

Newbie

10 posts

Saturday 8th November 2003 at 15:36

Gay thread? Your sexuality? WTF Concentration, relaxation, mental and physical conditioning

Concentration, relaxation, men

korben

Newbie

2 posts

Saturday 8th November 2003 at 22:06

I will give my modest opinion. Before do martial arts, i use to think that martil art is only technique, and control, but after start doing Ju Jitsu i realised that you need strence, power to do that technique.
A small person agains stronger and bigger need more strence, power to defeat it. This is the conclusion i take from the dojo, where with partners the same weight is easy , but with partner stronger and biger is needed power beside good technique. is not so easy as people think only with technique, and relax.
In the dojo only teach technique, but i never heard the sensei talk about the power needed to do the technique, but with big guys only technique without power doesn't work.
Korben

Korben

Robsco

1319 posts

Sunday 9th November 2003 at 06:28

Korben,

You obviously need to train more if you're starting to believe that.

Do not rely or place importance on strength, just keep training your technique and you will start to defeat the bigger guys with ease. --------- Robsco! 'I'm sure your style is impressive on other planets, however, your weak link is that this is Earth'

The Admin Guy

korben

Newbie

2 posts

Sunday 9th November 2003 at 18:35

Of course I have to train much more, and learn much more. Ju Jitsu as any martial art is a long way.
Just to say something, when the sensei show us one technique, in many techniques he has to use power, becuase if he does the technique without use power he doen't make me go down, the technique doesn't work, I can resist without problem. Korben

Korben

andy

Resident

729 posts

Sunday 9th November 2003 at 18:41

your sensei sounds, well, not very good. pain is temporary, pride is forever. www.roycegraciesheffield.com

"no weapon formed against me shall prosper"

kcolmra

Newbie

1 posts

Friday 14th November 2003 at 19:41

I have seen a 83 year old man who weighted about 95 pounds throw a 250 pound guy (he was in his 20s, not sure exact age) around like it was nothing. He had excellent technique and had to use very little physical strength. There are some techniques that require great strength, but why would you study them when there are more effective moves that require little strength. I am 20 and weight about 200 pounds. When I first started training, I had an advantage over my smaller peers. The further I advance, the less my size is an advantage. I do not compare my size to my opponent’s size; it is not a reliable scale. I would prefer to win a fight with out using any strength, just technique – I think it looks more graceful and is a credit to your skill. That said, I do think you should train and stay in good physical health. More and more I am seeing 30 something white men who have a potbelly at Ju-Jitsu competitions. My goal is to have about the build Brad Pitt did in Snatch – not huge, but very cut and clean.

andy

Resident

729 posts

Saturday 15th November 2003 at 12:07

give up traditional ju jitsu and do brazilian, you will learn better self defense and great ground work. also i don't see many 30 yr old white males with pot bellys ay brazilian jj tournys. traditional ju jitsu is outdated. pain is temporary, pride is forever. www.roycegraciesheffield.com

"no weapon formed against me shall prosper"

steve

Resident

217 posts

Sunday 16th November 2003 at 18:06

On the original point, strength & muscle mass does count for a lot though it is no good to you unless you have good technique with which to maximise its potential. You do not have to be big & heavy to beat bigger & heavier opponents, but relying on pure 'learnt' technique alone will not be enough.
As Andy eluded to earlier, competative 'rolling', expecially with slightly bigger opponents, will increase your natural strength. Couple this with some form of gym weights work to build muscle mass and explosive power, a good cardio routine and good diet so your 'system' is equiped to feed your muscles as & when required, and your game will improve dramatically.
"Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog"

"Its not the size of the dog i

andy

Resident

729 posts

Monday 17th November 2003 at 21:36

physical attributes play a part when skill level is even.

A good big guy will always beat a good little guy.

When training rely only on technique, when competing you can add in your physical attributes to increase your technique.

pain is temporary, pride is forever. www.roycegraciesheffield.com

"no weapon formed against me shall prosper"

Fenon

Regular

25 posts

Sunday 22nd February 2004 at 21:23

I've seen a martial arts fight between a 25+ stone muscle monster untrained in fighting and a medium sized gifted technique fighter, it was a close fight but the technique guy did win. My point is power does give you an advantage during a fight but with better technique you can win. The perfect size in my view is very leen with medium sized muscle, arms maybe 15/6 inches, well thats my size goal any how it may change when I get there.

andy

Resident

729 posts

Monday 23rd February 2004 at 22:23

i dont care pain is temporary, pride is forever. www.roycegraciesheffield.com

"no weapon formed against me shall prosper"

Fenon

Regular

25 posts

Monday 23rd February 2004 at 22:47

Another thing that I forgot to say was that with big guys they loss time training in technique because they need to spend a lot of time keeping that muscle.