advice - Ultimate Jujitsu

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wrexhamlad Spectator 1 posts	Tuesday 25th March 2008 at 04:37 iam in the militairy and want to learn a martial art with regards to my work theres so many anyone give me some adive on the matter please
Jeff Spectator 14 posts	Tuesday 25th March 2008 at 10:34 Not knowing where you are based\posted makes suggestions difficult. However, I would strongly advise you to look at: Some of the more truthful Ju-Jitsu systems i.e. not the soft, flowing styles; Krav Maga - particularly Commando Krav Maga, and if you can't access any of those, try to find a Judo club and cross train in some Boxing (shouldn't be too hard to find Boxing in the military!). The Judo will help you for when you are "engaged" i.e. held, it will help with grappling on the ground, and with fitness\spatial awareness etc. The Boxing will provide efficiency in striking in the quickest and most linear way (no spending time learning "The Crane Stance" etc.). Whatever you train in, bring YOUR intelligence and YOUR instinct for truth and effectiveness to it. Good luck! Jeff Jeff Sawyer
Rickson Gracie Newbie 36 posts	Wednesday 26th March 2008 at 19:17 You must learn from a great master. My students know this. 1995 Vale Tudo champion BJJ Daddy General all round Badass
ninja9578 Regular 92 posts	Thursday 27th March 2008 at 03:17 I would recommend traditional ju jistu. Gracie ju jitsu wouldn't be good for the military, you don't want to take someone to the ground if you don't know if they have a knife or gun or something. Blue Belt - Gracie JJ 3rd Degree Black Belt - Shorin Ryu Red Belt w/ two stripes - Soo Bahk Do
sl Resident 855 posts	Friday 28th March 2008 at 11:47 haha jiujitsu versus gun ______________________________
spider Regular 235 posts	Friday 28th March 2008 at 19:21 Er... Marksmanship principles? You haven't said what you work as, so how can we advise you with a martial art regards to your work? My best guess at what you should do is to find a martial art that is supported by your service (a recognised sport or adventure training activity) and available to you locally. Write or talk to someone representing that art in the service or your physical education staff about getting time off and M.T. to attend training sessions and to represent your service in your new found art.
von k Spectator 30 posts	Sunday 30th March 2008 at 19:43 Ju-Jitsu and judo. Work hard, train hard, play hard.
Jeff Spectator 14 posts	Tuesday 1st April 2008 at 11:07 I agree completely with Ninja 9578 about not WANTING to go to the ground, but the bottom line is that what we want in a real situation is not what we always get. The beauty of BJJ is that it's very truthful in terms of spatial awareness, fitness, fluency, effectiveness, and in it's "naturalness" by that I mean that it has no ritualised movements - it's very intuitive and not prescriptive in the way many arts are. Also, the stand-up element of it is very useful - especially so if effectively and truthfully combined with a solid striking repertoire. Remember too that a fight is organic, and IF you get taken down, you can't freeze, rewind and get back onto your feet where you can fight comfortably. Needs must! Regarding SL's input about Jiu-Jitsu versus gun (laughter)? All I can say is that not only has Ju-Jitsu repeatedly worked for me, it has quite literally saved my life twice. Once as a police officer and once as a member of a close-protection team in Africa,the first time against a dagger and the second against a handgun. Furthermore, most of my students are inner city police officers,and several of them have disarmed attackers, other instructor friends of mine have disarmed attackers, and so have a number of their students. I'm not for a second saying it is the perfect system - or some kind of "answer" what I am saying is that people on the front line can - and do - make choices about the art/systems they study, and Ju-Jitsu is very high on the list of systems they opt for, worldwide. Regarding the input from Spider about following a system or art which is embraced or supported by your service? I think that's good advice, BUT please remember that ANY service (whether it's the army, the police or the NHS) does not generally want to be associated with anything contentious or controversial; no service wants it's staff to be seen to be "violent" - I suffered from this very thing when I served as a police officer. I was strongly encouraged to train in Boxing by The Met' Police (because it's embraced by the service, and seen as "noble") but I was almost crucified by a very senior officer (who quite literally tried to sabotage my carreer for many years) simply because I didn't train in Aikido, which at that time was the only art "condoned" by the home office. The service was terrified that I would bring them into disrepute by choking out an old lady or something similar. When it comes right down to it, you have to train and prepare truthfully for the context in which you find yourself, YOU decide what is and isn't appropriate for your role/task. Shop around, see lots of different systems, you don't need to BE an expert to BECOME an expert. Good luck! Jeff Sawyer
spider Regular 235 posts	Wednesday 2nd April 2008 at 01:23 It sounds like you had the misfortune of having an unprofessional boss. The military supports almost all sports, including combat sports. Boxing and Judo have their own associations in the RAF, and as far as I know all other martial arts are supported by the RAF Martial Arts Association.
Jeff Spectator 14 posts	Wednesday 2nd April 2008 at 13:34 That's good and refreshing to hear - thanks for the response. Wrexham lad, good luck in your search. Jeff Sawyer
sl Resident 855 posts	Wednesday 2nd April 2008 at 14:02 I agree with pretty much most of what you say Jeff. The first paragraph being the most. My opinion on Jitsu Vs Gun will still stand (but it is after all only my opinion) ______________________________
Jeff Spectator 14 posts	Wednesday 2nd April 2008 at 14:08 Sl, thanks, no drama. What system(s) do you train in? I rolled up at an earlier response re: what kind of baseball bat to use...... Jeff Sawyer
Jeff Spectator 14 posts	Wednesday 2nd April 2008 at 14:11 Sl, sorry, I'm new to this forum thing and only just found the details about your training that is on here already. I like the systems you are doing. Good luck with all of it. Jeff Sawyer
sl Resident 855 posts	Thursday 3rd April 2008 at 09:41 its just no gi grappling these days Jeff primarlily ground based but keep promising myself ill get back to some thai one day! ______________________________
thayrea Spectator 31 posts	Thursday 3rd April 2008 at 18:42 krav maga no question about it. It was made to train the israeli military and they now train security guards, MP, various PMCs, the FBI, and a list of national armed forces. They specialise in weapon disarming, and quick lethal strikes and grapples. know your limits
Jeff Spectator 14 posts	Monday 7th April 2008 at 12:54 With respect (as always) guys! NOT just Krav Maga......... but..... GOOD Krav Maga. I've seen appalling KM that is nothing other than 3rd rate Kick-Boxing and 237th rate Ju-Jitsu, performed by wannabee commandos who ring every alarm bell in my 48 year old head (thank God we have gun laws in this country, because these blokes would be up that water tower after every lesson.....) I've also seen Km that is absolutely spot-on (ditto for Ju-Jitsu, submission wrestling, Muay-Thai etc. etc. etc.) Shop around. Love and respect, Jeff Sawyer
Jeff Spectator 14 posts	Monday 7th April 2008 at 12:55 Sl, are you a teacher of the grappling? Love and respect, Jeff Sawyer
sl Resident 855 posts	Monday 7th April 2008 at 13:42 no not me mate im a student for life! Robsco used to do some teaching i think and Andy on here runs his own club. ______________________________
spider Regular 235 posts	Wednesday 9th April 2008 at 19:07 What happened to starting judo Sl?
sl Resident 855 posts	Thursday 10th April 2008 at 09:18 Time really and a recurring dodgy knee. Still love the throws though just dont get a chance these days! One day spider... ______________________________

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Spectator

1 posts

Tuesday 25th March 2008 at 04:37

iam in the militairy and want to learn a martial art with regards to my work theres so many anyone give me some adive on the matter please

Jeff

Spectator

14 posts

Tuesday 25th March 2008 at 10:34

Not knowing where you are based\posted makes suggestions difficult.
However, I would strongly advise you to look at: Some of the more truthful Ju-Jitsu systems i.e. not the soft, flowing styles; Krav Maga - particularly Commando Krav Maga, and if you can't access any of those, try to find a Judo club and cross train in some Boxing (shouldn't be too hard to find Boxing in the military!). The Judo will help you for when you are "engaged" i.e. held, it will help with grappling on the ground, and with fitness\spatial awareness etc. The Boxing will provide efficiency in striking in the quickest and most linear way (no spending time learning "The Crane Stance" etc.).
Whatever you train in, bring YOUR intelligence and YOUR instinct for truth and effectiveness to it.
Good luck!
Jeff

Jeff Sawyer

Rickson Gracie

Newbie

36 posts

Wednesday 26th March 2008 at 19:17

You must learn from a great master. My students know this.

*1995 Vale Tudo champion*
*BJJ Daddy*
*General all round Badass*

ninja9578

Regular

92 posts

Thursday 27th March 2008 at 03:17

I would recommend traditional ju jistu. Gracie ju jitsu wouldn't be good for the military, you don't want to take someone to the ground if you don't know if they have a knife or gun or something.

Blue Belt - Gracie JJ
3rd Degree Black Belt - Shorin Ryu
Red Belt w/ two stripes - Soo Bahk Do

Resident

855 posts

Friday 28th March 2008 at 11:47

haha jiujitsu versus gun

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spider

Regular

235 posts

Friday 28th March 2008 at 19:21

Er... Marksmanship principles?

You haven't said what you work as, so how can we advise you with a martial art regards to your work?

My best guess at what you should do is to find a martial art that is supported by your service (a recognised sport or adventure training activity) and available to you locally.

Write or talk to someone representing that art in the service or your physical education staff about getting time off and M.T. to attend training sessions and to represent your service in your new found art.

von k

Spectator

30 posts

Sunday 30th March 2008 at 19:43

Ju-Jitsu and judo.

Work hard, train hard, play hard.

Jeff

Spectator

14 posts

Tuesday 1st April 2008 at 11:07

I agree completely with Ninja 9578 about not WANTING to go to the ground, but the bottom line is that what we want in a real situation is not what we always get. The beauty of BJJ is that it's very truthful in terms of spatial awareness, fitness, fluency, effectiveness, and in it's "naturalness" by that I mean that it has no ritualised movements - it's very intuitive and not prescriptive in the way many arts are. Also, the stand-up element of it is very useful - especially so if effectively and truthfully combined with a solid striking repertoire. Remember too that a fight is organic, and IF you get taken down, you can't freeze, rewind and get back onto your feet where you can fight comfortably. Needs must!

Regarding SL's input about Jiu-Jitsu versus gun (laughter)? All I can say is that not only has Ju-Jitsu repeatedly worked for me, it has quite literally saved my life twice. Once as a police officer and once as a member of a close-protection team in Africa,the first time against a dagger and the second against a handgun.
Furthermore, most of my students are inner city police officers,and several of them have disarmed attackers, other instructor friends of mine have disarmed attackers, and so have a number of their students.
I'm not for a second saying it is the perfect system - or some kind of "answer" what I am saying is that people on the front line can - and do - make choices about the art/systems they study, and Ju-Jitsu is very high on the list of systems they opt for, worldwide.

Regarding the input from Spider about following a system or art which is embraced or supported by your service? I think that's good advice, BUT please remember that ANY service (whether it's the army, the police or the NHS) does not generally want to be associated with anything contentious or controversial; no service wants it's staff to be seen to be "violent" - I suffered from this very thing when I served as a police officer. I was strongly encouraged to train in Boxing by The Met' Police (because it's embraced by the service, and seen as "noble") but I was almost crucified by a very senior officer (who quite literally tried to sabotage my carreer for many years) simply because I didn't train in Aikido, which at that time was the only art "condoned" by the home office. The service was terrified that I would bring them into disrepute by choking out an old lady or something similar. When it comes right down to it, you have to train and prepare truthfully for the context in which you find yourself, YOU decide what is and isn't appropriate for your role/task.
Shop around, see lots of different systems, you don't need to BE an expert to BECOME an expert.
Good luck!

Jeff Sawyer

spider

Regular

235 posts

Wednesday 2nd April 2008 at 01:23

It sounds like you had the misfortune of having an unprofessional boss.

The military supports almost all sports, including combat sports. Boxing and Judo have their own associations in the RAF, and as far as I know all other martial arts are supported by the RAF Martial Arts Association.

Jeff

Spectator

14 posts

Wednesday 2nd April 2008 at 13:34

That's good and refreshing to hear - thanks for the response.

Wrexham lad, good luck in your search.

Jeff Sawyer

Resident

855 posts

Wednesday 2nd April 2008 at 14:02

I agree with pretty much most of what you say Jeff. The first paragraph being the most. My opinion on Jitsu Vs Gun will still stand (but it is after all only my opinion)

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Jeff

Spectator

14 posts

Wednesday 2nd April 2008 at 14:08

Sl,
thanks, no drama.
What system(s) do you train in?
I rolled up at an earlier response re: what kind of baseball bat to use......

Jeff Sawyer

Jeff

Spectator

14 posts

Wednesday 2nd April 2008 at 14:11

Sl,
sorry, I'm new to this forum thing and only just found the details about your training that is on here already.

I like the systems you are doing. Good luck with all of it.

Jeff Sawyer

Resident

855 posts

Thursday 3rd April 2008 at 09:41

its just no gi grappling these days Jeff primarlily ground based but keep promising myself ill get back to some thai one day!

______________________________

thayrea

Spectator

31 posts

Thursday 3rd April 2008 at 18:42

krav maga no question about it. It was made to train the israeli military and they now train security guards, MP, various PMCs, the FBI, and a list of national armed forces. They specialise in weapon disarming, and quick lethal strikes and grapples.

know your limits

Jeff

Spectator

14 posts

Monday 7th April 2008 at 12:54

With respect (as always) guys!

NOT just Krav Maga.........

but..... GOOD Krav Maga.

I've seen appalling KM that is nothing other than 3rd rate Kick-Boxing and 237th rate Ju-Jitsu, performed by wannabee commandos who ring every alarm bell in my 48 year old head (thank God we have gun laws in this country, because these blokes would be up that water tower after every lesson.....)

I've also seen Km that is absolutely spot-on (ditto for Ju-Jitsu, submission wrestling, Muay-Thai etc. etc. etc.)

Shop around.

Love and respect,

Jeff Sawyer

Jeff

Spectator

14 posts

Monday 7th April 2008 at 12:55

Sl,
are you a teacher of the grappling?
Love and respect,

Jeff Sawyer

Resident

855 posts

Monday 7th April 2008 at 13:42

no not me mate im a student for life!

Robsco used to do some teaching i think and Andy on here runs his own club.

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spider

Regular

235 posts

Wednesday 9th April 2008 at 19:07

What happened to starting judo Sl?

Resident

855 posts

Thursday 10th April 2008 at 09:18

Time really and a recurring dodgy knee. Still love the throws though just dont get a chance these days! One day spider...

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